Talk:Frequently Asked Questions
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Legality
Should the legal issues be put into its own wiki page?
- There isn't much written there at the moment. If it grows too big then I don't see why not--Yousifnet 13:49, 25 May 2006 (PDT)
- I'd say so once it's more definative.--redders 15:59 26 May 2006 (GMT)
Questions I'd like to ask.
I found the FAQ to lack these answers:
How does it work? The FAQ page suggests that Okopipi works "by submitting opt-outs to the merchant sites associated with spam." However, I thought spammers often used opt-outs as simply a tool to find "good" email addresses. How does this methodology work "to stop spam from being sent to users"?
What is the cost? What is the cost in terms of disk space, processing power, risk of some sort of retaliation (DOS, actual cracking attempt, etc.)? Does the anonymity of the central servers mean that clients will not be targetted by spammers? Does this run like a screen saver? It seems like clients would do very little work, only sending spam reports and getting onto opt-out requests, not running scripts. What, if any, performance loss will be affected by joining the network?
Thanks — Gogobera 12:23, 27 May 2006 (PDT)
Who do I contact with a query? Ideally this should have an answer for varying types of questions such as patents, press, volunteering, general useage of a list clean tool etc. --Hedwards 19:25, 29 May 2006 (PDT)
[edit] How do I know that an Okopipi "offering" is kosher? We probably want to be a little bit careful about jewish references. Seeing as a popular rumour for spammers was that BS was headed by ex-Russian Jews, and that it could be seen as vaguely anti-semitic to use the terms without much sense of importance. In this case, 'secure' might be a better choice than kosher.
Additionally, is the address enquiries and not inquiries? --Hedwards 12:49, 18 June 2006 (PDT)
Legality in Denmark
The page now reads that it is legal to use Okopipi in Denmark, because it is illegal to spam in Denmark. I don't see how the one follows the other, logically. While it is illegal to do many things in many places, there are usually restrictions in what one can do to the law-breakers. — Gogobera 14:35, 28 May 2006 (PDT)
Query: How Does it Work?
The bit that says "Okopipi will also act as a proxy, submitting the opt-outs on behalf of all of its users." - what does this mean? I was under the impression that each client will opt out his/her own spam.
I think Spy meant that Okopipi, the application, acts as a proxy for the user by sending opt-out requests. Certainly each peer sends its own opt-out requests. I've edited it to be more clear.
--Nano 17:28, 29 May 2006 (PDT)
How Can Okopipi Be Efficient ??
"The point of this is to make the spammers (or their customers) go through the same manual scanning of data that users have to go through when scanning through e-mails and deleting spam manually."
If I understood correctly, the users will be receiving opt-out scripts and then send them to spam advertised sites using their order forms.
Well, if there is one opt-out script by site, the site will receive the same script over and over again.
In that case they will not have to "go through the same manual scanning of data"! All the opt-out requests will be removed by one simple SQL statement run periodically. They may also very easily filter out the opt-out requests before commiting them to their database.
Okopipi's care - God forbid! - not to overcharge the Viagra sellers servers is touching! If I understood correctly, Okopipi will not trigger opt-out requests, but just provide scripts for its clients. By definition, no DDOS attack is possible in such circumstances, since it is not synchronised in time.
I am worried about the Okopipi's efficiency. Can anybody explain ?
NetCat.
- Nobody said there can't be any randomisation in the generated text --Ehm 05:44, 30 May 2006 (PDT)
- Randomisation?! It leads directly to the "filter cheating" techniques commonly used by spammers! I hope they are not copyrighted ;-)
Now seriously. It may happen, that when Okopipi takes off, all the spammers will calmly comply... but I would not bet on it.
The alternative is a WAR. A war is a dirty thing and it goes far beyond technology. You can not win it wearing white gloves.
Ask yourself if you do have guts and will to fight it ? Because if you don't, Okopipi will end up like Blue Security, leaving hundreds thousands of people down and dissapointed.
An answer to that question is much more important than all the technical issues!
Please (re)consider.
NetCat
- Well, we have to stay within the law at all times, being legal is one advantage we'll have over the spammers. --Ehm 08:11, 3 June 2006 (PDT)
Launch Date?
Is the 1st July Launch date official? Seems a bit soon for a project with no code at all...
- I don't know where you heard/read this but its not true. --Yousifnet 13:59, 1 June 2006 (PDT)
Question on "Real User" Validation
So Okopipi sends the opt-out requests through the order forms on the sites that they are advertising in their spam. No problems, I get that.
However, how are you going to bypass the validation image that they may have on their order form? I'm talking here about the picture with letters and/or numbers that are a little bit garbled and can only be read properly by a person, not a computer.
I see two answers...
1. I don't understand this correctly, and Okopipi is really sending the requests in a different format ... or ...
2. A real person has to actually type in the numbers/letters for that image for every single opt-out request. When your opt-outs for one spammer's website will probably be in the thousands, I don't see this being practical
Please enlighten me.
- I don't have any problem to sign myself out from up to 10 websites a day. If Okopipi shows me the picture and I have only to type it in the Okopipi userinterface even more.--Lebewesen 23:42, 14 February 2007 (PST)
